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New AP article this morning
Guess it's official:
Aides: Obama plans to nominate Clinton
WASHINGTON (AP) — President-elect Barack Obama plans to nominate Hillary Rodham Clinton as secretary of state after Thanksgiving, a new milestone for a former first lady and a convergence of two political forces who contested mightily for the presidency.
I guess if this is what Hillary wants than great for her. However, part of me was hoping she would stay in the Senate and fight for important issues of the American people - like healthcare.
Regarding Hillary's signature issue - Healthcare: With the involvement of Kennedy and Baucus, and the appointent of Daschle as HHS Secretary AND "Healthcare Czar", it just seemed to me that they were shutting Hillary out of the process altogether.
How does everyone else feel about this appointment?
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I think she wants it. She's a professional and moved on from the Presidency long ago. She may see this as her only chance to contribute something positive and incredible to history.
I'll support her in this because she is a professional politician and had to make decisions we as supporters can't imagine. I cannot, and if I was a woman I'd really rant, I cannot accept or forgive her embracing the abuser.
I wish her all the luck in the world. I also wish Obama luck and hope he is everything my wife thinks he is. That does not mean I can forget or forgive how he achieved the position or her prostration at his feet.
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but unless she quits her job in the government, she will be working for her "abuser."
He is going to be the POTUS. She will be supporting him no matter what.
I think FLdemFem has a good point down thread.
He may just use this to get rid of her.
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Tell it like it is madamab. Some of us have had to learn to "run in the opposite direction". My guts are working overtime right now. Call it women's intuition, fine by me. But I still think she should avoid the O' administration.
If she does become Secy of State, then I'll be praying I'm wrong.
Actually, if she remains a senator, she will be working for the people of the state of NY. If she becomes Sec. of State, she will be Obama's mouthpiece in the rest of the world, and forced to defer to him/his policies whether she agrees with him/them or not. As a senator, she has the luxury to go against BO if she thinks he is full of crap. She will still be able to "poke" him in the eye now an again if she so chooses. I think it will be a great mistake for her to take the position. Obama will drag her down with him and a potential failed presidency.
Agree with you NCgirl. Hillary in the Senate: Not only working for the State of NY, but working on national policy as well. And, yes, I DO want someone in the Senate that has the "cajones" to buck the administration and "tell it like it is" to the American people - all the while working for what is best for the country and for us.
Obama drag Hillary down with him - 'Yes He Will!". Hillary defer to him - OMG hope NOT. I wouldn't want to if I were her ... even though I know she's strong enough to do it with a smile on her face. Ladies! - you know what I'm talkin' about.
are two different things.
I know I'm parsing words but with Obama you have to nail him down tight and then keep an eye on him too.
How many times have his aides "misspoke?"
After Obama gives thanks to Grandma for holding out until the day before the election and to Reverend Wright for disapearing.
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...first-lady "elect" for keeping her foot out of her mouth for the balance of the campaign season.
"Right wing sledge hammers never, ever help us." Pacific John
speaking of which I got a nasty Black Widow email yesterday. I think it's kind of funny in a gross, racist sort of way.
The Black widow hooks-up with the male then sucks the very life out of him after mating! She's very easy to spot...
The female has a very wide backside, is black, and has a red hour glass shaped marking on her belly....
You can find this spider in:
Closets
Wood piles
Under beds
And soon......
THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!
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You're right. It's not "Official" and I imagine something could come up to cause this not to be if The One truly doesn't want this to happen.
I am still angry and disappointed, but she is able to move on. I do not buy that she will never be president, but I know that is the conventional wisdom. I guess she feels that the SOS will be the best way for her to serve her country. She has the rest of her life to lead and if this is what she wants to do then I will support her.
I hear you and feel the same. I know that I am not angry with Hillary, but I am angry at the DNC and the Party. They behaved no better than Repubs this political season, and perhaps worse. Not having a full and fair roll-call vote at the Convention in Denver will always be totally unacceptable to me.
back in the 70's. they are now just a rubber stamp to what is usually a decisive primary season.
What the party really did this year was to revert to pre-primary, back room decision making. That's what caucuses are after all. My state would have gone for Obama if it was a caucus state because the entire party machine was behind him. It was the people who wanted Hillary and they as usual don't matter.
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Thanks for the education. I know you know better than I what actually happens on the ground and behind the scenes. Guess I'll have to lower my standards for a fair process - heh!
It makes her too vulnerable to Obama's eff-ups, and she's more valuable in the Senate pushing many different issues (esp. health care).
I actually won't believe it until or unless I hear it from Obama or Clinton. AP was notoriously bad during the primaries on its Clinton-related reporting. And they couldn't resist jabs at her in this article, either.
OT: in the linked article there's a headline about Palin's pardoning a turkey that reads:
Palin pardons turkey while others slaughtered
For cryin' out loud -- really? Every year governors and the President pardon a turkey, but because it's Palin they make it sound as if she invented a new and sinister way to sin against the animal kingdom. PDS indeed.
I think the press feels that bashing Palin somehow makes up for their lousy work the last two years. Like it will vindicate them in the lord's eyes.
Not sure which Lord
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Apparently the Phoebe Buffet's of Obamanation were unaware that all those turkeys in the freezer didn't die of natural causes
and do we believe that the pardoned ones actually walk off into the woods?
I bet they're among the first to feel the blade. Teach 'em to rat out their friends and family.
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Seriously http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20031121.html
Thor, from Norway writes:
What happens to the Turkey's after they are pardoned?
Hello Thor
After the ceremony, the turkeys go to Frying Pan Park out in Herndon, Virginia. It is a petting zoo, so you may be able to see this year's thanksgiving turkeys after the event -- it is on 2709 West Ox Road in Herndon.
By the way, the turkeys don't have a name yet -- so vote now. Click here. I personally like Pumpkin and Cranberry. I hope I'm not influencing the polls at all -- but I'm just being honest.
Throughout the years, the turkeys presented to the Presidents were dressed (if you know what I mean). But President Kennedy on November `19, 1961 spared the life of a 55-pound tom turkey in the Rose Garden. Despite the gold ribbon hung around the turkey's neck saying, "Good Eating, Mr. President," Kennedy saw the turkey and simply said, "We'll just keep him." The turkey was returned to its farm home.
I think we have a photo of this turkey and I'll try to put it up.
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I agree, Valhalla. You know the boyz will need a scapegoat - and it will be Hillary. Like you, I too would like to see her stay in the Senate and push issues for us. I also have the suspicion that they're trying to "neuter" her by getting her out of the Senate and out of the way.
Like a male friend pointed out to me today; Obama has Biden to trot around the world. He has met with many world leaders over the years. And I think there's good people out there to do the Secy of State job, but how many Paul Wellstone's do we have in the Senate? (I'm from Minnesota).
and after the press corps blames Palin for all the turkeys being slaughtered, they themselves will all go sit down and feed on turkey flesh. give me an effing break.
it was that there was a turkey being slaughtered behind her, on camera, while she was doing the pardoning and she seemed not to be aware of it. And everyone got freaked out about that. Apparently, no one in this country really knows where their food comes from. They seem to think it magically appears on the shelf wrapped in clean plastic with instructions attached. I do think that she could have picked a better venue for the photo-op. At least the viewers can see exactly what she saved the turkey from.. LOL
I'm having steak tonight instead of the turkey dinner.
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Obama is a sneaky, underhanded Chicago pol. I don't trust him as far as I can throw one of my horses. And I think that this is a way of getting rid of Hillary permanently. He promotes her to SoS, then he fires her for something he doesn't want to take the heat for. End of Hillary. If she stays in the Senate, she will have the chance to work on the things that matter to her, and to us. If she takes the job of SoS, she won't be allowed to bring her talents to work on it. She will be totally subsumed by Obama's policies, and they are likely to be very naive. And when he fires her, he will smear her badly so she is not a viable candidate for 2012 or 2016. He is scared of the Clintons, and he wants them gone. I don't think she should take the job. I think she should stay where she is, doing the job she is so very good at. And given the committees and power she is being offered in the Senate, that is the best place for her now. To take a chance on Obama's "word" would be foolish. Ask Alice Palmer..or any one else under the bus.
Trusting him is sort of like trusting that a smiling, tail wagging Rottweiler won't rip your arm off.
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He's elected, he's getting those presidential daily briefings, and he's scared. So he is going to put her in.
I hope she does well for as long as she lasts in the position. I give it two years before he throws her out. I wanted her POTUS for her foreign policy.
Agree. I saw this during the debates. You just know O' was blown away by Hillary's knowledge and command of the issues. People have forgotten that his pat answer was; "Ah, um, yeah - what Hillary said. And I'll add ...."
I had the feeling in the General Election that Obama already felt in over his head. "OMG - I'm actually the nominee and likely to be President! Now what!?!"
If he had stayed in the Senate, and learned the job, he would have had a much better idea of what was involved. But no, he had to go and run.. why? because four years from now he would be a different person. Ok, he would know more, perhaps be a bit humbled by the enormity of the job he now has, and he would have a clue as to what he has in front of him. He didn't so now he is overwhelmed. Well, boohoo. Let HIM get over it!! It's his own damn fault he is in over his head. Let him sink or swim on his own. Hillary should not be a lifeline for him. She has better things to do. Like get us health care. And may I point out, that will Hillary out of the Senate, there is no one to stand fast for universal health care. Obama likes the BigPharma plans and the BigMedCorps plans. Hillary stands up for us, not them and their profits like Obama does. I think that is a big part of why he wants her out of the Senate and in as SoS. He wants the health care plan that leaves millions uncovered, but maintains the profits for the healthcare industry. She doesn't. Oh, look, another "good" reason to offer her SoS. God stone the crows, Obie is going to drive me to drink!! Machiavellian little creep!!
Totally agree here. And, to quote you, let me add that not only is Obama; "He is scared of the Clintons, and he wants them gone." . . . but I think those that put Obama forward and propped him up feel that way.
Great comment, FlDemFem. I, too, truly want Hillary in the Senate!
I agree with those who say he's putting her in to be his scapegoat. and the hate/blame-Hillary-first press corps will jump right on his scapegoating bandwagon.
Also, like catfish said, the briefings he is getting as president-elect is scaring the bejeezus out of him.
On a positive note, Hillary as SoS will bring a lot of attention to women's rights and human rights all over the world. That's always been a focus for her.
Agree with you Sharyn, as I often do. I'm just torn about your positives regarding the Secy of State position, and wanting Hillary to keep her head down in the Senate and do the hard work for our country - which is in dire straights.
And hate to say it, but is women's rights around the world going to be high on the list by anyone when we're fighting wars on 2 fronts; our stock market is in the tank; our citizens are going bankrupt because of healthcare; and unemployment is a lottery away from any one of us?
That does not mean that I do not think that the PUMA movement should not go full force against discrimination, misogyny, and media bias. This is the perfect time for a new women's movement because we have SO MANY recent examples the past year!
And this is the face of a Feminist.
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Nice pic
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So True! I like that face in the women's movement. And yes, catfish, he is cute.
aw gee guys
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since it's looking like she'll do it, i'm trying to find a silver lining. actually, she'll do an incrdible job on all fronts -- probably save us all from mass destruction -- and Mr. O will get all the credit.
if his administration fails on domestic front, will she have a credible shot at white house in 2012 or 16? probably not, because she'll be considered part of his administration.
and don't shoot me. She'll be considered an old woman.
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she'll have too many wrinkles.
Oh my! Stock market dump forces Obama to actually make a decision to go ahead and make Hillary Secy of State. Accoding to Fox News; "The market doesn't like uncertainty".
up to now - mainly because I figured O didn't have enough sense to actually consider HClinton in his administration. Also, I figured he wouldn't be able to get past his animosity and work with her.
The question I have now is, will she actually have any influence on foreign policy - or will she become like Colin Powell in the Bush WH? Powell as SOS was generally completely ignored, until they dusted him off to lie to the UN and then kicked him out.
Independently adrift
Remember the "it's like hiring someone for a job" theme- well, if they pick Clinton for SOS, they really HAVE picked a good job applicant- she knows her stuff.
It's a much better choice then, say, Kerry. I'd feel more secure in her doing the job well.
Time will tell if Barky gives lousy direction but Mr.-voting-Present probably won't go out on any limbs.
If she's able to push women's rights at the same time- even better. While it might be more difficult in economic downturns, women DO impact local economies as seen in the microbank loans programs, for example.